Comments on: NAMM Part I: The Ghost of Tradeshow Barbie http://barking.roaddog.com/2005/01/23/namm-part-i-the-ghost-of-tradeshow-barbie.html Damage done from nearly three decades in the roadie biz Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:17:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Jacob Bird http://barking.roaddog.com/2005/01/23/namm-part-i-the-ghost-of-tradeshow-barbie.html#comment-26 Jacob Bird Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:18:33 +0000 http://barking.roaddog.com/?p=46#comment-26 Dave, Mike, and Jason, so then how do you feel the Venice is compared to other offerings in it's price range? Is it just an average desk with Midas branding or is it the great desk alot of people have said it is? Dave, Mike, and Jason, so then how do you feel the Venice is compared to other offerings in it’s price range? Is it just an average desk with Midas branding or is it the great desk alot of people have said it is?

]]> By: Jason http://barking.roaddog.com/2005/01/23/namm-part-i-the-ghost-of-tradeshow-barbie.html#comment-25 Jason Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:04:01 +0000 http://barking.roaddog.com/?p=46#comment-25 Hello Mike & Dave, I'll be the real whippersnapper in this discussion. To take a shot at Mike's question, I think that a Verona or Siena would be a bad investment for a company like yours. They sound a'ight and are cheap, but with my money I'd look to get ~8 years out of a MH4 instead of ~3 years out of a Verona. I had a Verona for a week, and sent it packing as soon as I could. Sonically, it really stumped me. Because of the good things I'd heard, I tried mixing on it like it was a Heritage, but I felt like I ended up in a ditch. In attempting to replicate the bold, detailed midrange of their better desks, Midas produced a muddy and undefined sound in the Verona. Mix on it like it's an XL4, and you'll end up with a soupy mess. People who say these are low-cost H3000's don't know thier gear. Hello Mike & Dave,

I’ll be the real whippersnapper in this discussion. To take a shot at Mike’s question, I think that a Verona or Siena would be a bad investment for a company like yours. They sound a’ight and are cheap, but with my money I’d look to get ~8 years out of a MH4 instead of ~3 years out of a Verona. I had a Verona for a week, and sent it packing as soon as I could.

Sonically, it really stumped me. Because of the good things I’d heard, I tried mixing on it like it was a Heritage, but I felt like I ended up in a ditch. In attempting to replicate the bold, detailed midrange of their better desks, Midas produced a muddy and undefined sound in the Verona. Mix on it like it’s an XL4, and you’ll end up with a soupy mess.

People who say these are low-cost H3000’s don’t know thier gear.

]]> By: Dave http://barking.roaddog.com/2005/01/23/namm-part-i-the-ghost-of-tradeshow-barbie.html#comment-24 Dave Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:02:35 +0000 http://barking.roaddog.com/?p=46#comment-24 Mike, compared to JR (or maybe even me) you're a young turk. ;-) The thing to me about the low end Midas desks is that they feel the same way the other low end consoles do. To me they feel mushy with a lack of tactile response. As for the audio quality, yeah they're good but not any better than some other offerings. They've basically taken DDA consoles and branded them as Midas. They are fine consoles, but to me they are not of the same cloth the other Midas consoles are. To me, comparing a Verona (which is basically what a Siena is) to a Heritage 3k or even an XL3 is like comparing a Mazda Miata to a BMW Z8. They're both sporty, they're both convertables but if you put equally capable drivers in each seat it soon becomes apparent why one costs more than the other. I'd much rather use an older XL3 than a Verona or Siena. Mike, compared to JR (or maybe even me) you’re a young turk. ;-) The thing to me about the low end Midas desks is that they feel the same way the other low end consoles do. To me they feel mushy with a lack of tactile response. As for the audio quality, yeah they’re good but not any better than some other offerings. They’ve basically taken DDA consoles and branded them as Midas. They are fine consoles, but to me they are not of the same cloth the other Midas consoles are. To me, comparing a Verona (which is basically what a Siena is) to a Heritage 3k or even an XL3 is like comparing a Mazda Miata to a BMW Z8. They’re both sporty, they’re both convertables but if you put equally capable drivers in each seat it soon becomes apparent why one costs more than the other. I’d much rather use an older XL3 than a Verona or Siena.

]]> By: Mike Babcock http://barking.roaddog.com/2005/01/23/namm-part-i-the-ghost-of-tradeshow-barbie.html#comment-23 Mike Babcock Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:04:06 +0000 http://barking.roaddog.com/?p=46#comment-23 Hey Dave While I'm no longer a young turk, I do prefer the sound of a Midas over some of the other offerings out there. The Siena desk interests me. In your professional earboy opinion, would this be a good choice for a 4 or 5 piece band on ears (and a budget) compared to other offerings in this price range? I can easily see one band I tour with using a 32 channel version of this (another a 24 channel version) and saving thousands on the Heritage series. I can also see how this could be more than useful on a regional level to throw in for openers and leaving the big guns for the headliners. Or would I be better off getting another used XL3 for under 20K for the less flimsy version? Mike Hey Dave

While I’m no longer a young turk, I do prefer the sound of a Midas over some of the other offerings out there. The Siena desk interests me. In your professional earboy opinion, would this be a good choice for a 4 or 5 piece band on ears (and a budget) compared to other offerings in this price range? I can easily see one band I tour with using a 32 channel version of this (another a 24 channel version) and saving thousands on the Heritage series. I can also see how this could be more than useful on a regional level to throw in for openers and leaving the big guns for the headliners. Or would I be better off getting another used XL3 for under 20K for the less flimsy version?

Mike

]]> By: Dave http://barking.roaddog.com/2005/01/23/namm-part-i-the-ghost-of-tradeshow-barbie.html#comment-22 Dave Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:33:30 +0000 http://barking.roaddog.com/?p=46#comment-22 Shit JR, electricity is about as new as you are... ;-) I'm running a count to see if that's really the case this time. I didn't notice any blatent mockups or concept pieces this year. Interest observation regarding tradeshow as warfare. Shit JR, electricity is about as new as you are… ;-) I’m running a count to see if that’s really the case this time. I didn’t notice any blatent mockups or concept pieces this year.

Interest observation regarding tradeshow as warfare.

]]> By: John Roberts http://barking.roaddog.com/2005/01/23/namm-part-i-the-ghost-of-tradeshow-barbie.html#comment-21 John Roberts Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:48:56 +0000 http://barking.roaddog.com/?p=46#comment-21 The new concept of manufacturers only showing products that will ship within a month or two is about as new as I am :-). Despite good intentions, unless the tradeshow morphs away from the "Tradeshow as warfare, show of troop strength" paradigm. The very high pressure to splat out new product will continue to exceed companies' actual ability to deliver same. Of course it's nice to hear them talking about it. JR The new concept of manufacturers only showing products that will ship within a month or two is about as new as I am :-).

Despite good intentions, unless the tradeshow morphs away from the “Tradeshow as warfare, show of troop strength” paradigm. The very high pressure to splat out new product will continue to exceed companies’ actual ability to deliver same.

Of course it’s nice to hear them talking about it.

JR

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